(2) Should We Change The Nicene Creed In the LCMS ?

By: Rev. Jack Cascione

The LCMS Commission on worship is proposing that the Nicene Creed be changed
to read, "who for us human beings and our salvation" to replace the current "who for us men and our salvation."

The following is a reply to John Dorsch's second of three written questions. (The first question and answer were published on Reclaim News on January 22, 2003.)

Dorsch disagrees with me and is in favor of changing the Nicene Creed to read, "who for us human beings and our salvation," instead of what we currently confess, "who for us men and our salvation."

Dear John Dorsch:

Your second question is:

"2. Could you explain why appealing to the New Testament use of 'anthropos' (man) serves to explain the patristic use of such a common word in the Nicene Creed?  Have you done a similar study of the non-Christian Greek use of 'anthropos'?  Hint: the word is used by classical writers to mean: a man, men (non-specific = men and women), a woman, or one (= Ger. man).  See Lidell-Scott, p 141 (Great, btw) for numerous examples.

Reply From Pastor Cascione:

Yes, I also have a copy of Liddell and Scott's "A Greek-English Lexicon" all 15 pounds of it.  For those who don't have a copy, it is the most authoritative Greek Lexicon in the world.  The book is approximately 9" by 12" and 3" thick.  It has 2042 pages of tiny print with another 160 pages of supplements on very thin paper.  If you don't know Greek, you can't look up anything.  It was first published by Oxford in 1843, four years before the LCMS was founded.  My copy was published in 1978.

I use the book to refute all kinds of errors people have thrown at me over the years.

The first line in Liddell & Scott under "anthropos" (man) on page 141, (lower right hand column) reads, "man, both as generic term and of individuals."  It then goes on to give nine more definitions.  Then under "II" it states, "as fem., woman, contemptuously, of female slaves, with a sense of pity." (All Greek citations were omitted.)  So I agree with your statement, "I Esdras 9 refers to a woman specifically."  However, I Esdras is not in the Bible.  There is not one citation out 508 uses of "anthropos" (man) in the New Testament that refers to a woman.

You write: ". . . you cannot simply assume the New Term words inform the meaning of fourth century Greek."

Yes I can.  According to Kelly, in "Early Christian Creeds," on page 197, the word "anthropos" (man) appears well before 272 AD.  According to Kelly (page 74) we find (man) in Justin Martyr's Creed (155-160 AD).

I can also assume that 508 cases of "anthropos" (man) in the Bible inform the correct teaching of the Nicene Creed, or else, why write the Nicene Creed?  "Anthropos" (man) must be understood in the context of the Bible just as we understand, the words, "church," "baptism," "justification," and "faith" in the context of the New Testament.  If we followed the original definition of these words, as you want to do with "anthropos," there would be no Christian religion.  Plato and Socrates would be the real teachers of the New Testament and not Jesus Christ.

There is no question that the Greeks used the "anthropos" (man) in the general or abstract sense but Jesus Christ did not do this.  God's focus is on the concrete and not the philosophical abstractions that men love.

"Concrete terms which apply to both natures are Christ and Immanuel.  Thus Luther, in commenting on Isaiah 53, says that in concrete language the human nature of Christ is a man."   ("Two Natures of Christ" Martin Chemnitz, Translated by J. A. O. Preus, CPH, 1971, page 32)

"On this point, in commenting on Isaiah 53, Luther writes about the separated divinity and the separated humanity, or the humanity considered by itself, and he adds: 'This ought not be done, for abstract things ought not be separated, or else our faith is false; but we should believe in the concrete that this Man is God . . . Furthermore, at this point we ought to be absolutely silent about the abstract, for faith teaches that here there is no abstraction but a concretion, a union, and a junction of both natures. '" (Chemnitz,  page 33)

"For Christ is called not only flesh but also Man and the Son of Man, and His body and soul are expressly mentioned together with the conditions which are proper and characteristic of human nature, as we have already shown." ( Chemnitz, page 60)

"Therefore I believe that the grammars are correct and divinely guided when they call some words concrete and the other abstract, even though there are endless arguments about the concrete and abstract, and I believe it can never be decided, even in philosophy and created things, whether there is such a thing as an abstract.  For instance, when I speak of whiteness, I am not speaking of anything white nor mentioning anything at all.  The mention of whiteness excludes any subject, which must afterward be conjoined and connected by the mention of the white thing from which it was separated and abstracted." ("Martin Luther's Fuller Exposition of Isaiah 53," compiled by George Roerer, 1544, Trans. Ken Miller, 1988 page 132, available through CN)

We should all take Luther's advice here and see that the Bible doesn't call us to faith in abstractions nor does God save abstractions.  "Anthropos" (man) is not an abstraction, such as human beings, in the Bible or in the Nicene Creed.  Christ did not die for abstractions, such as human beings, but rather for men and women.  Christ did not merely become an abstraction, that is an human being, but He became a man.  We should confess that Christ became more than fully human, namely, he became a man.  We should confess that Christ came to save more than human beings.  He came to save people with specific genders, namely men and once they are identified as men they also include all women and children as is found repeatedly in the New Testament.

Once we make Christ into an abstraction, we lose our identity and gender and open the door for feminist, gender neutral, and homosexual theology as is happening in the ELCA.


I'll get to your third question later.

January 22, 2003